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		<title>Beware Of Fraud When Buying and Selling Websites On SitePoint</title>
		<link>http://www.marketing-results.com.au/blog/2009/03/05/buying-selling-website-fraud-sitepoint/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Swayne</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the last 18 months I&#8217;ve established a &#8220;side business&#8221; with Nick Schoonens where we buy, &#8220;renovate&#8221; and sell established websites (or hang on to them for cashflow).   It&#8217;s an interesting business model (very lucrative too, if you buy wisely and know how to optimise traffic and conversion). One of the best places to find [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="gpone"><g:plusone count="false" href="http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marketing-results.com.au%2Fblog%2F2009%2F03%2F05%2Fbuying-selling-website-fraud-sitepoint%2F"></g:plusone></div><!-- Start LikeButtonSetTop --><!-- End LikeButtonSetTop --><p>Over the last 18 months I&#8217;ve established a &#8220;side business&#8221; with <a href="http://www.schoonzie.com">Nick Schoonens</a> where we buy, &#8220;renovate&#8221; and sell established websites (or hang on to them for cashflow).   It&#8217;s an interesting business model (very lucrative too, if you buy wisely and know how to optimise traffic and conversion).</p>
<p>One of the best places to find established websites for sale is the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://marketplace.sitepoint.com/categories/established-sites-for-sale">SitePoint forum</a>.  Sure, there&#8217;s a <em>lot of junk </em>there, but once in a while there&#8217;s a fantastic deal that&#8217;s worth snapping up.  The SitePoint guys have done a great job with their site and they are continuing to take steps to ensure that auctions are legal and above board.</p>
<p>But a few auctions still slip through the cracks &#8211; here&#8217;s one real example of a fraudster attempting to bilk an unsuspecting site purchaser out of his cash.</p>
<h2>The Back Story</h2>
<p>Around mid-2008 a business contact sent me an email to say he was excited about the possibility of buying his first site on SitePoint from a certain &#8220;Tony Normand&#8221; of <strong>www.stop-smoking-guru.com</strong>.  Before he &#8220;pulled the trigger&#8221; and shelled out the asking price of $18,000, he asked me to check it out to see if I could spot anything amiss.</p>
<p>When I checked it out, I discovered that the whole thing was a giant scam.</p>
<p>The basic format of these scams is that the fraudster provides info and supporting evidence to corroborate the site&#8217;s income and justify the asking price, but when you finally gain access to the site (if you ever do), the <strong>actual results fall well short of claimed results</strong>.  But by then, you&#8217;ve handed over the cash and the seller has skipped town.</p>
<h2>The Trail Of Evidence</h2>
<p>Below is a partial screenshot of the seller&#8217;s ad on SitePoint showing the purported site stats [<a href="http://"></a>or <a href="http://www.marketing-results.com.au/blog/wp-images/sitepoint-ad-large.png" target="_blank">click here to open the full ad in a new window</a>]</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.marketing-results.com.au/blog/wp-images/sitepoint-ad-small.png" alt="" width="495" height="897" /></p>
<p>Sounds great, right?  Who wouldn&#8217;t want to buy a $6,000 per month income stream for only $18,000.  That is silly money&#8230;a little too silly.  The unusually high return made us very suspicious.</p>
<h3>So let&#8217;s review the supporting evidence</h3>
<p>The seller very kindly supplied a variety of screenshots, corroborating the traffic, income, affiliate activity and mailing list size.  It certainly looks the part:</p>
<p><strong>Claimed traffic volume:</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.marketing-results.com.au/blog/wp-images/sitepoint-fake-traffic-volume.png" alt="" width="463" height="460" /></p>
<p><strong>Claimed sales volume:</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.marketing-results.com.au/blog/wp-images/sitepoint-fake-sales.png" alt="" width="500" height="463" /></p>
<p><strong>Claimed mailing list numbers (edited for clarity):</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.marketing-results.com.au/blog/wp-images/sitepoint-fake-mailing-list.png" alt="" width="550" height="202" /></p>
<h3>Due diligence reveals tampering with the evidence</h3>
<p>Having bought a number of different websites and considered many more, we&#8217;ve developed a comprehensive <strong>website purchase due diligence checklist </strong>to help assess sites.  When I started running the checklist, this public page on <em>www.rentacoder.com</em> turned up:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.marketing-results.com.au/blog/wp-images/sitepoint-rentacoder.png" alt="" width="550" height="339" /></p>
<p>Hmmm, that certainly looks suspicious.  A person by the name of Anton Cheranev has engaged a contractor to, ahem, &#8220;change three marketing images&#8221;.   I followed the links (now taken down of course), and found this:</p>
<p><strong>Real mailing list numbers (edited for clarity):</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.marketing-results.com.au/blog/wp-images/sitepoint-actual-autoresponders.png" alt="" width="550" height="197" /></p>
<p><strong>Real sales volume (a similar, yet unrelated image?):</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.marketing-results.com.au/blog/wp-images/sitepoint-real-sales.png" alt="" width="500" height="613" /></p>
<p><strong>Real traffic volume:</strong></p>
<p>I was not able to follow one of the links to grab the real traffic volume image. But by that point, the game was up&#8230; it&#8217;s amazing what a little <em>PhotoShop </em>can do.</p>
<p>My friend contacted SitePoint and they shut down the auction, but there&#8217;s not a lot more they can do, other than trying to prevent future occurrences.</p>
<p>Be careful when you buy websites &#8211; &#8220;renovating&#8221; existing websites is a great business model if you can make it work, but the biggest &#8220;unknown&#8221; is corroborating the seller&#8217;s claims.  If that problem could be overcome, the Buy-Sell website game would get a lot easier.</p>
<p>Will Swayne</p>
<p>Website Doer-Upper</p>
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